This was one of the more fascinating articles I've read mainly because it is for chronic rather than acute survivors. And it it would be one of those magical fixes. Like Peter Levines' stroke eliminator.
Inflammation Identified as New Therapeutic Target Years After Stroke
To view the multimedia assets associated with this release, please click http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/inflammation-identified-as-new-therapeutic-target-years-after-stroke-115025854.html
The study utilized a new method of delivery of etanercept, a potent biotechnology anti-inflammatory therapeutic. Etanercept has been a breakthrough for rheumatoid arthritis and other inflammatory disorders. It works by neutralizing tumor necrosis factor (TNF), a cytokine that initiates and amplifies inflammation. The therapeutic potential of etanercept in Alzheimer's disease, traumatic brain injury, spinal cord injury, sciatica, and other neuroinflammatory disorders has attracted increasing attention(1).
Ask your doctor if you might be an off-label use for this. If s/he knows about this, you have a good up-to-date doctor. Looking at the paper for this I really doubt the ability of this. No proof that TNF was measured either before or afterward, and no rigorous therapist documentation, just mainly spousal comments.
I do wonder how many years after a stroke the tumor necrosis factor (TNF) is still around in the brain.
I'll add that to my question for stroke researchers
Use the labels in the right column to find what you want. Or you can go thru them one by one, there are only 29,112 posts. Searching is done in the search box in upper left corner. I blog on anything to do with stroke.DO NOT DO ANYTHING SUGGESTED HERE AS I AM NOT MEDICALLY TRAINED, YOUR DOCTOR IS, LISTEN TO THEM. BUT I BET THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET YOU 100% RECOVERED. I DON'T EITHER, BUT HAVE PLENTY OF QUESTIONS FOR YOUR DOCTOR TO ANSWER.
Changing stroke rehab and research worldwide now.Time is Brain! trillions and trillions of neurons that DIE each day because there are NO effective hyperacute therapies besides tPA(only 12% effective). I have 523 posts on hyperacute therapy, enough for researchers to spend decades proving them out. These are my personal ideas and blog on stroke rehabilitation and stroke research. Do not attempt any of these without checking with your medical provider. Unless you join me in agitating, when you need these therapies they won't be there.
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My blog is not to help survivors recover, it is to have the 10 million yearly stroke survivors light fires underneath their doctors, stroke hospitals and stroke researchers to get stroke solved. 100% recovery. The stroke medical world is completely failing at that goal, they don't even have it as a goal. Shortly after getting out of the hospital and getting NO information on the process or protocols of stroke rehabilitation and recovery I started searching on the internet and found that no other survivor received useful information. This is an attempt to cover all stroke rehabilitation information that should be readily available to survivors so they can talk with informed knowledge to their medical staff. It lays out what needs to be done to get stroke survivors closer to 100% recovery. It's quite disgusting that this information is not available from every stroke association and doctors group.
Thursday, February 10, 2011
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Dean,
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, it's taken me about 15 minutes to write this just because every time I'm about to write something my interest in one of your entries makes me bounce around the Internet for another few minutes. I have one, two, three, four pages open that I have to get back to after writing this. Thanks for the homework.
I am dubious about the purported results of etanercept on chronic stroke. Of course, I would love to be proven wrong. But certainly the video makes me skeptical. We have nothing but the spouse providing data. Am I missing something? What were the outcome measures? I see this a lot -- between a spouse, the survivor, and the clinicians there is a "group think of happiness".
Consider this statement from the abstract: "Onset of clinical response was evident within 10 minutes of perispinal injection in all patients. Improvements in hemiparesis, gait, hand function, hemi-sensory deficits, spatial perception, speech, cognition and behaviour were noted among the patients treated."
Within 10 minutes they showed improvements in all these areas, right? I do a lot of outcome measures. Assuming they did all the same outcome measures pretreatment, it would take at least two or three hours to do all these tests. What they may have done was say, "Yet, he looks better."
I hope I'm wrong.
best, -pete
Pete, I have to hope that magical recovery like this exists, for others mainly and because then I might finally get some rest.
ReplyDeleteMy mother went for treatment yesterday. I would characterize myself as a skeptical, rational person. When I came home from work, she was bubbling with excitement, no sign of speech aphasia, and her right hand and arm were more flexible than I've ever seen. This is not snake oil. This is the stuff that Nobel prizes are made of.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, Please describe what the treatment consisted of, dosage, how applied, How long after the stroke this treatment was applied. We need facts in order to determine the applicability to others.
ReplyDeleteI will ask my mother about dosage, which I'm not certain of. But they gave her the shot in the back of the neck, with head facing down. She is 81 and had her stroke 10 years ago. She is able to move her arm, lift it to above her head, which she couldn't yesterday morning. She isn't feeling as marked an improvement in her leg yet but is hopeful. Her speech is improved incredibly, as are her typing skills. The treatment isn't recommended for hemorrhagic stroke sufferers. The dr recommended another shot next week. They are 3-4k per shot, 400 for the consultation. The best way to determine if this is applicable is a phone call (free) - to get a sense directly from the doctor. I will keep you posted as the days progress.
ReplyDeleteFrom what I can tell it is well within the realm of possibility that the responses seen are in keeping with a strong placebo effect. The recently published study has significant flaws and severe limitations. The ONLY objsctive way to know if this treatment is truly effective is to have an INDEPENDENT clinical trial featuring the gold standard double-blind placebo control design. Until that is done we will not know if any of these results are more than would be expected by the intense heightened expectations of all involved in the treatments - the clinicians, the patients' family members and the patients themselves.
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